tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227951565510104587.post1286832303417367379..comments2023-06-08T05:49:46.525-05:00Comments on Outnumbered Mommy...My Adventures with My Four Little Boys: I just can't help myself now....Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04485339163690059317noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227951565510104587.post-31740338686121924682008-11-07T16:20:00.000-06:002008-11-07T16:20:00.000-06:00Hi Kelly - well you asked for input, so I thought ...Hi Kelly - well you asked for input, so I thought about it and wrote up a whole big long response! <BR/>I have wanted to respond to your blog post so badly and finally got to it today (oops, I was supposed to be working on the directory!!)<BR/>I hope you will take a look at my blog:)as it was too long to post a commnet here! And , I liked hearing Jeanne's and trpl131's comments - well said .<BR/><BR/>Of course whether we voted forObama or not, we have to pray he is what everyone is hoping he is so that our nation can get out of this mess!!themomof3https://www.blogger.com/profile/08383131737802411070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227951565510104587.post-23406584376973646802008-11-07T11:30:00.000-06:002008-11-07T11:30:00.000-06:00I'm going to jump in here and say I didn't want to...I'm going to jump in here and say I didn't want to vote for either candidate really because neither really gave me all I wanted. I did vote for old Johnny boy in the end. <BR/>Not that I think Obama can do it, but I think it's time for a real change as our system is broken and you can't just have one party or the other fix it. Real Americans need to fix it not some politician who is backed by come company or god forbid another foreign country. I am hearing that other countries countributed to our presidential campaign and this is wrong - so wrong. They are now "owed" and will want some sort of benefit from it.<BR/>My hope in all this is that Obama will be a good role model for African American's who think he is like them and will help them. I believe our welfare system should be used as a stop gap measure and not a life style or "job" - in NY it's a job for many. How can I play the system? Hopefully he will get some butt's off couches and out looking for jobs (or even just volunteering and getting new skills) and not sucking off the system. Being new to NY state I can say this is home to many "suckers" of the system and it's sad. So sad. If this gives people the motivation and drive to do more with their lives I'm all for it. Many say this is motivational so I hope it lasts.<BR/>My other worry is he is starting to back pedal on what he said in his campaign - this I heard on the news, which is as we all know very Democratic so I am taking it to heart (and I should know better by now the press is not always right) - if they supported him and are saying this then I am afraid it must be true. Now I for one welcome the back pedaling as some of his ideas are way too out there. But then again how much can you do in 4 years? It's time to focus and pick the best ones to tackle.<BR/>The next 4 years will be interesting, but we will survive and hopefully learn something from all this.Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16506134748484642861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227951565510104587.post-33549948390056000212008-11-06T21:16:00.000-06:002008-11-06T21:16:00.000-06:00Well, I will reveal myself as Kelly's notorious De...Well, I will reveal myself as Kelly's notorious Democratic friend who was asking the questions. I was really trying to understand the Republican/ conservative point of view. and I will answer the first question about why so many of us are sooooo excited about Obama. First, he is NOT George Bush!! IMO, Bush/Chaney got us into a war under false pretenses (let's face it, Chaney = Hallaburton =$). Bush really was a pawn, not to mention not very intelligent and only got the job because of his name. This administration has made a huge mess in the middle east and I really do believe Obama has the diplomatic skills as well as the intelligence to understand the extrememly complex issues involved there as well as the economy. He is willing to listen to all points of view, even those opposed to his own so he can best solve the problem. Unlike the current president, if anyone disagreeed w/him (or his cronies) that person was dismissed. So, that's why I personally am hopeful. Will he do it? Only time will tell. Also, I am a social liberal(I am pro-choice and think gay marriage is fine). Obama and the Dems support those issues. Also, I do think Obama will do better for the middle class. <BR/><BR/>I admit I misunderstood Kelly's point about ignorant people voting, making the assumption that she was critizing Obama's teams "get out the vote" efforts merely for voting for him, which I was saying was similar to Rove's efforts in 2004 in Ohio. Like any game, the one w/the most points win! Sure, people should be knowledgeable about issues, but honestly these days, it's hard to know what's the truth! I talked to someone ON ELECTION NIGHT, utterly convinced that Obama was raised a Muslim and it was a cover-up. Her BIL told her it was so. Besides the point of "so what", nothing I told her changed her mind. but I digress... If one watches Fox News you get one point of view, vs the Daily Show and Colbert Report or Keith Olbermann. The truth is slippery these days in the age of the internet, bloggers and 24 hr news stations that need to fill time. <BR/><BR/>Finally, my other question was really answered by Jeanne. I was asking how can Republicans reconcile the staggering national debt that Bush has racked up over the last 8 years, when Clinton left a surplus w/their idea of "less government, lower taxes, etc". Well, the current administation/Republican party is more concerned about social conservative issues . I get it now. I do find it a bit ironic that the Republican Party was the "party of Lincoln" who was the most socially liberal as they come w/the Emancipation Proclaimation. <BR/><BR/>I agree the financial/stock market/housing market fiasco can be attributed to many people/institutions/policies, but I think Greenspan has it right (now at least): People are greedy. and yes, many Americans live above their means. It's going to take a miracle to fix this. Although I believe Warren Buffet said something to the effect of: it'll take a while (years) but eventually things will get better. <BR/><BR/>I do like Kelly, and we really only know each other by the fate of having triplets within a few months of each other. It's been an quite a ride this election and we will have to just wait and see how Obama does. <BR/><BR/>So there. I am basicaly a pacifist at heart and want everyone to get along. <BR/><BR/>Ellentrpl131https://www.blogger.com/profile/15141388202763047458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227951565510104587.post-14813973968925024592008-11-06T18:30:00.000-06:002008-11-06T18:30:00.000-06:00I guess the bottom line for me is that I am glad w...I guess the bottom line for me is that I am glad we live in a country where there can be a peaceful transfer of power. When people feel the need for change they can elect new leaders and there aren't violent revolutions like there are in many other countries. I guess, for me, that is the key. Majority can rule, leadership can change, and there doesn't have to be a violent coup.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10153775866700642226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4227951565510104587.post-57917406559582649602008-11-06T15:44:00.000-06:002008-11-06T15:44:00.000-06:00Kelly,The mortgage crisis is really just a symptom...Kelly,<BR/><BR/>The mortgage crisis is really just a symptom of the bigger problem with our financial system. And that is that we have allowed banks to do things (take big risks) that they weren't allowed to do previously. Couple that with the unregulated derivatives market and that leads us to the place we are today. Greenspan got up in front of God and everyone and proclaimed that no one was qualified to regulate that market because they are sophisticated instruments and the buyers and sellers are best equipped to keep that market in synch. Now he has confessed to a giant gap in his understanding of the world. People are greedy. (His words, not mine.) Since those products were unregulated, they just kept driving the values up beyond where the system could handle them. A collapse was unavoidable.<BR/><BR/>Sure, there were people that got mortgages that shouldn't have. But nobody cared. Everyone was making so much money that they closed their eyes and hoped it would never end. <BR/><BR/>I do agree that people in this country live way beyond their means. It certainly doesn't help the situation that the country is in now.<BR/><BR/>I didn't copy/paste any of this. My degree is in Corporate Finance, so as this has played out, I have paid close attention. We are where we are because people are greedy and nothing interferes with greed like regulations. I FULLY understand the concept of the free market and letting the financial system self-adjust. However, since Reagan took office, we haven't just gotten rid of out-dated financial regulation, we've gutted too much of it. <BR/><BR/>It took us a long time to get to this point and Bush isn't entirely responsible. However, he and the congress that he enjoyed for 4 of his 8 years, did their best to make sure that corporations and Wall Street got whatever they wanted. It was all in the interest of the free market. There was a time that I considered myself a Republican and fiscal responsibility was my most important issue. It is still very important to me. But today's Republican party is not fiscally conservative. It is socially conservative, which drives the passion of it's members. But the last 8 years have left fiscal conservatives high and dry.<BR/><BR/>There is plenty of blame to go around in this mess. It can't be left at Fannie & Freddie's doors. (And people on both sides of the aisle got fat from Fannie & Freddie, just ask McCain's advisor.)<BR/><BR/>JeanneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com